Host Harry Kreisler welcomes Anatol Lieven to discuss his book "Pakistan: A Hard Country." Lieven emphasizes the important role of kinship in understanding Pakistan and discusses the military's unique position as the preeminent national institution and the sources of its power and prestige. Focusing on Pakistani national security thinking, he discusses India, the role of Afghanistan, the Taliban, and the importance of Kashmir. He also analyzes the complex relationship between the U.S. and Pakistan and discusses Pakistan's geographical location in the Indus valley and the implications of climate change for its future. (#21524)